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1-5-18: With the new tax laws should I keep my Home Equity Line of Credit

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Question of the week: With the new tax laws should I keep my Home Equity Line of Credit?

 

Answer:  With the calendar turning to 2018 we are now under the new tax codes signed into law by President Trump in December. There is still plenty of confusion about how the IRS will treat many of the changes, among them is the interest paid by home owners if they have a Home Equity Line of Credit (HELOC) and if it is deductible on the federal tax return. Reading through many articles and communicating with tax professionals, lenders that specialize in HELOCs and other research I am not entirely clear on how HELOC interest will be treated moving forward—and until the IRS issues a clear ruling I don’t think anyone else is either.

 

Some people may use the deduction, or lack thereof, to determine how they wish to move forward with their current HELOC, or to obtain one for purposes of home improvement, debt consolidation, college costs, etc. Here are some items to consider if you have, or are considering, a HELOC.

 

DISCLAIMER: I am not a tax professional, if you have a HELOC please consult with your tax preparer regarding the impact it has on your taxes.

 

There is a lot of information out that none of the interest on your HELOC will be deductible, regardless of when you obtained it or how the funds were spent (home improvement, debt consolidation, medical expenses, college, etc). Under this line of reasoning, if you have a $100,000 HELOC you obtained when you purchased the home in 2011, the interest is no longer deductible.

 

However, there are some “experts” that are stating that if your HELOC was used for the acquisition of your primary, or second/vacation home, then the interest paid on the HELOC is still deductible. These are contrary opinions, and if you have a HELOC that you have only used to purchase your home it obviously has an impact on your tax preparation in the future. If acquisition HELOCs will remain deductible then you are fine and continue as you have in the past, if they are not then you will want to meet with your tax and mortgage professionals to determine your best course of action moving forward.

 

If you obtained a HELOC to put in a pool, remodel your home or do other home improvements, in the past you probably had an interest deduction. Under the new law, based on almost everything I have read and heard, you will no longer be able to deduct that interest from your federal taxes.

 

If you have a HELOC that you used for medical expenses, college tuition and/or debt consolidation you will also not be able to deduct the interest moving forward.

 

Back to our question of the week, if you have a HELOC should you keep it? Especially if the interest you pay is no longer deductible?

 

As with most questions involving mortgages and personal finances, there is no standard answer for everyone. The factors you need to consider are:

 

How much is the tax deduction you are losing? If you have a balance of $50,000 and are paying $2500 per year in interest, is losing that deduction costing you a lot of money?

 

What are your options to pay off the HELOC? Do you have cash or assets you can liquidate to pay off the balance? If you do what is your trade off? What has been your return on investment for those assets and what is the rate on your HELOC? Are you making more in interest and/or dividend payments than you are paying for the HELOC?

 

Or perhaps you pay off the HELOC with a refinance of your primary mortgage and consolidate the two loans. Once again, we do the math, what is your current rate on your primary mortgage, what are your payments, what is the value of your home and the total balances we would be consolidating? And finally, and very importantly, what will be your new rate of interest and monthly payment?

 

One big factor to consider if you have a HELOC and are considering paying off or refinancing to consolidate the payment is your future interest rates. Almost every HELOC has its interest rate tied to the prime rate. The prime rate tends to move up and down when the Federal Reserve moves its lending rate up and down. In the past year the Fed has hiked its rates three times, each time 0.25% (one-quarter of one percent), resulting in the prime rate also going up 0.25%  three times for a total of 0.75% (three-quarters of one percent) in the past year. If you had a $100,000 HELOC in December 2016 and retained the same balance through the year your interest payment at the end of 2017 was $62.50 per month ($750 per year) more. The Fed has announced it intends to increase rates three more times in 2018, which will increase the rate on your HELOC another 0.75%.

 

With increases in the prime rate known to be coming in 2018, does it make sense to fix the rate on your HELOC balance and consolidate it with your primary loan?

 

When making a decision regarding your HELOC keep in mind the tax laws started on Monday, and the longer you wait to make that decision the more impact it could have on your tax returns for 2018 that you will file in 2019.

 

When you meet with your tax professional to prepare your 2017 taxes if you have a HELOC ask for advice about your interest deduction options for 2018. And before you meet with your tax professional do not hesitate to give me a call to discuss your options if refinancing and consolidating your HELOC is an option for you.

 

Should you keep your HELOC? Maybe, maybe not, but do your research and explore your options, contact me to discuss some of those options.

 

Have a question? Ask me!

 

The final employment report for 2017 was released this week showing the economy added 148,000 jobs in December and the unemployment rate was steady at 4.1%. The total hires in December were down from November and below expectations of those economists polled. A positive news in the report was a 0.3% increase hourly earnings from December, up 2.5% from December 2016. With inflation running below 2%, average wages increasing more than 2% is positive for workers. Within the report there was strength in construction and manufacturing hires and there are signs that scarcity of skilled labor in these sectors could be hindering growth. Overall the news is mortgage rate neutral.

 

Rates for Friday January 5, 2018: Ending our first week of the new year rates continue the steady pattern of the last few months with no change from last Friday’s rates. Conforming rates start 2018 one-quarter of one percent below (0.25%) what they were the first Friday on 2017.

 

FIXED RATE MORTGAGES AT COST OF 1.25 POINTS LOCKED FOR 45 DAYS:

30 year conforming                                            3.75%           Flat

30 year high-balance conforming                   3.875%        Flat

 

Please note that these are base rates and adjustments may be added for condominiums, refinances, credit scores, loan to value, no impound account and period rate is locked. Rates are based on 20% down with 740 FICO score for purchase mortgages.

 

Today’s WR&MU is being composed from Palm Desert where the Smith family has been compounded for the week. I will admit to feeling no guilt as we have enjoyed very enjoyable weather, getting in a few rounds of golf and spells by the pool, as other parts of the country are digging out of their front doors and wondering which mound of snow in the street is their car. California is not flawless, with perhaps the exception of weather throughout the year and especially weeks like this.

 

I hope everyone had a wonderful New Year’s celebration and wish you all a very healthy and prosperous 2018!

 

Dennis

 

 

 

10-27-17: Should I use a “piggy-back” to buy my new home?

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Question of the week:  Should I use a “piggy-back” to buy my new home?

 

Answer:  We start our answer to the question with a question many of you may be asking, “what is a ‘piggy-back’?”

 

Last week we discussed mortgage insurance and how conventional mortgages require mortgage insurance for loans that are over 80% loan-to-value. If you are buying a home for $600,000 (the median price for a home in LA County) and getting a mortgage for more than $480,000 then you need mortgage insurance.

 

Using a piggy-back enables you to put less than 20% down and avoid mortgage insurance, because the piggy-back is a second loan that bridges the amount between your down payment and your mortgage of 80% of the purchase price.

 

For example, you want to purchase a home for $600,000 but you only have $60,000 down. Traditionally you would get a mortgage for $540,000 and pay mortgage insurance. Using a piggy-back you would put down $60,000 and get a 2nd loan for $60,000 and have your primary loan be $480,000, which is 80% of the purchase price and therefore you do not need mortgage insurance.

 

Not all, but almost all, piggy-back mortgages are Home Equity Lines of Credit (HELOC). What is a HELOC? It is very similar to a credit card, you have a maximum credit limit and you only make payments on the balance you have outstanding. The interest rate on a HELOC is an adjustable tied to the prime rate goes up and down so will the rate on your HELOC.

 

Another feature of many HELOCs is that the minimum payment is interest only, which makes them very enticing as the interest payment can be very low, however you are not paying down any of the outstanding principal which becomes an issue in later years when you have a very large balance that has to be paid off.

 

Since the HELOC is used to purchase the home the interest paid on the loan is tax deductible under the current tax code. This is a positive for many families, especially those who are unable to deduct mortgage insurance premiums.

 

As you can see there are some positive aspects to using a HELOC to purchase your new home, but back to our question of the week: should you use a HELOC to buy your home?

 

Let’s compare getting a HELOC with using mortgage insurance to purchase the median priced home in LA County of $600,000 with 10% down and you have a credit score of 740.

 

Let’s start with purchasing with a HELOC. You will have a primary mortgage of $480,000 (80% of purchase price) and a HELOC of $60,000.  The rate on the primary mortgage this morning is 4.00%, the average rate on a HELOC up to 90% total loan to value (combined 80% primary plus 10% HELOC) is Prime Rate plus 2%, today prime is 4.25% so the rate would be 6.25%.

 

Payment on the primary mortgage is $2292 per month.

The minimum payment on the HELOC is interest only which would be $313 per month*.

 

The minimum payment you must make is $2605 per month, until the prime rate increases and then your payment will increase as well.

 

Last year the prime rate was 3.5%, your rate would have been 5.5% for a minimum payment of $275 per month, if the rate increases another three-quarters of a percent in the next year your rate will increase to 8.00% for a payment of $400 per month.

 

*Most HELOCs are for twenty years, if you want to amortize the payment and include principal the payment at 6.25% would be $439 until the rate changes.

 

If you purchase using mortgage insurance your primary mortgage will be $540,000 at a rate of 3.875%** and your mortgage insurance premium will be 0.41% of the loan amount.

 

Primary mortgage payment is $2539 per month.

Your mortgage insurance premium is $185 per month.

 

Your total payment is $2724 per month as long as you have mortgage insurance, $119 more per month than if you used a HELOC to purchase the home and paid the minimum payment. If you pay additional payments on the HELOC to pay down the principal then you payment purchasing with a HELOC would be higher. As well when the prime rate increases in the future your “savings” with the HELOC will decline.

 

** It seems counter-intuitive that putting 20% down has a higher rate than putting 10%, however rates are lower for mortgages with mortgage insurance than those without as the lenders are insured for losses should you default. If you default on a mortgage that is 80% of the value of the property the lender will lose 10-20% of the loan amount. If you have mortgage insurance on a 90% loan the lender is covered on losses up to 25% of the value of the mortgage. Even though the risk of loss may be higher with 10% down, the amount of loss to the lender should you go to foreclosure is less than if you had mortgage insurance.

 

Note the statement above, “as long as you have mortgage insurance…” Those who read last week’s WR&MU will recall that after you make 24 consecutive payments on time and can show you have 20% equity in the property then you can have your mortgage insurance premium released. So between your mortgage principal declining through your payments and the market increasing you let’s assume you will have that 20% in four years (had you purchased the median priced home in LA County in 2015 you would be able to remove your MI this year) after purchasing your property. At that time you go through the process and have your MI payment removed, saving $185 per month, or $2220 per year.

 

The only way to remove your HELOC payment is to pay it off, and unless you have the ability to make very large payments over the years it will likely take you quite some time to pay off the loan.

 

Depending on your financial situation, and ability to pay down/off the HELOC rather quickly through sale of another property, large bonuses, etc, for most families the long term best option is to purchase their home using mortgage insurance that will have fixed payments, and the ability to remove the MI premium payments in the future, as opposed to a large equity line tied to a rate, the prime rate, that will be going up over the next few years.

 

Please call me to discuss your situation and determine the best way for you to purchase your new home. And if you have a HELOC, or mortgage insurance, from a  previous transaction call me to see what your options are to possibly lower your monthly payments, or keep them the same and fix your total monthly payment.

 

Have a question? Ask me!

 

Remember, with Dennis it’s not just a mortgage, it’s your complete financial picture.

 

Economic data released this week for September shows strength building. Durable goods orders in September showed a nice gain, even trying to account for Hurricane Harvey. Showing even more strength was the initial Gross Domestic Product numbers for the 3rd Quarter, increasing 3.0%, a strong following from the 2nd Quarter’s 3.1% growth. Inside the numbers we saw strong growth in consumer spending and durable goods purchases-led by vehicle replacement post hurricane. The soft spot was residential real estate, which has been supporting economic growth for the past several years. Inflation was at 2.2% annualized with is within the Fed’s target range. Overall the report is fairly rate unfriendly and puts upward pressure on rates for the long term.

 

Rates for Friday October 27, 2017: We see the conforming and high-balance conforming rates un-linked this week. For the first time in almost a year the separation between the two rates is greater than one-eighth of one percent (0.125%) as the high-balance rate increased an eighth of a percent this week and the conforming rate remains flat. The last time we saw the one-quarter percent gap between the two mortgages was the week ending November 11, 2016 when we saw rates increase three-quarters of a percent in six weeks following the election. There is upward pressure on rates, the advice is to lock when you can.

 

FIXED RATE MORTGAGES AT COST OF 1.25 POINTS LOCKED FOR 45 DAYS:

30 year conforming                                            3.75%           Flat

30 year high-balance conforming                   4.00%          Up 0.125%

Please note that these are base rates and adjustments may be added for condominiums, refinances, credit scores, loan to value, no impound account and period rate is locked. Rates are based on 20% down with 740 FICO score for purchase mortgages.

 

 

Well baseball fans are getting a treat, at least two treats so far with the first two games of the World Series, I am hoping we get five more similarly exciting games.

 

I will go out on a limb and presume that many (most? all?) of your households are like ours and the Halloween candy purchased in preparation for Tuesday evening has been thoroughly tested and perhaps the testing has gone so well as to require another purchase of candy for the witches, princesses, firefighter and bumble-bees on Tuesday night. Halloween candy, the official start to the end of the year belt-tolerance limit as we flow from the candy to Thanksgiving to Christmas and the non-stop treats, pies, cakes, etc for the next sixty plus days.

 

Stay strong, say no to yourself and Think Blue,

 

Dennis

 

 

 

 

Weekly Rate & Market Update 11-3-17: Should we be worried about the new tax plan that will cut the mortgage deduction?

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 Question of the week:  Should we be worried about the new tax plan that will cut the mortgage deduction?

 

Answer:  With the biggest tax reform plan working its way through the House of Representatives and the Senate it is no surprise that various aspects of what have been released and talked about so far have been a hot conversation topic. Last week at meeting with a group of professionals from family law attorneys to CPAs to business owners we discussed various parts of what had been floated through the media for almost an hour. The only consensus was that we were debating what we don’t know since until both houses in Congress agree on a bill, pass it and present it to the President everything is negotiable.

 

That said….the two features of the plan presented to the House of Representatives that impacts the housing markets are deductions for mortgage interest and property taxes; under the plan released this week both would be reduced from the current tax code allowable deductions.

 

Currently if you own a home with a mortgage you have the opportunity to deduct the interest paid on the mortgage and property taxes. “Opportunity” basically means there are limitations on the deductions. First, in order to claim deductions for property taxes and mortgage interest on your primary (and possible second/vacation home) residence you must itemize your deductions and they must exceed the standard deduction given to tax filers (for married couples $12,700 in 2017). If you meet these criteria then you can deduct all property taxes paid to the local tax authority. Second, a married couple can deduct interest paid on a mortgage used to acquire, build or substantially improve the property up to one million dollars of mortgage liens. For example if you own a home with a $1.3 million mortgage at 4% interest you can deduct $40,000 in interest paid, not the full $52,000 you actually paid in interest.

 

The current plan that will be debated in the House and put through many separate committees before a final bill is presented for a vote increases the standard deduction to $24,000 for married couples and limits the mortgage interest deduction to interest paid on mortgages up to $500,000 and the property tax deduction to a total of $10,000.

 

What does this mean in plain English and simple math?

 

Before we do some math, let’s answer the question: What is a tax deduction? Many people confuse a tax deduction with a tax credit, the difference is that deduction is an amount that reduces your taxable income and a credit is an amount that reduces your tax obligation.

 

Note I am not a tax professional, all examples are very fundamental calculations and used for comparative purposes only.

 

For example if you and your spouse make $80,000 and file your taxes with the standard deduction of $12,700 for 2017. Before the deduction your tax bracket is the 25% tier based on your $80,000 taxable income. After the tax bracket your taxable income drops to $67,300, and your top out at the 15% tax bracket. The deduction saves you approximately $2300 in federal income tax from about $11,500 without any deduction to approximately $9200 after the standard deduction is applied.

 

The deduction lowers your income, which can change your upper tax bracket and lowers your tax liability.

 

A tax credit is applied to your income tax liability directly after your taxes are calculated. Using the same couple above, during the year they installed energy efficient rated windows for a total of $4000. The federal tax code allows a credit of 10% of qualified windows installed on a primary residence, up to a maximum of $200. This lowers the tax obligation from about $9200 to $9000—the credit results in a direct reduction of taxes owed.

 

Back to the tax proposal.

 

Currently if you have a mortgage used to purchase your home with a balance of $600,000 and a rate of 4% you will pay approximately $24,000 in mortgage interest. Since this exceed the standard deduction for a married couple, is a mortgage on your primary residence and the mortgage is under $1 million you can deduct the $24,000 from your income when you file your taxes.

 

To qualify for the $600,000 you may make around $140,000 as a couple. Taking the interest deduction you taxable income drops from $140,000 to $116,000. You are still in the 25% tax bracket, absent any other deductions, so you save 25% of $24,000 in taxes, or $6,000.

 

Under the new proposal you will only be able to deduct the interest on the first $500,000 of the mortgage, $20,000, so you lose $4000 in deductions from your income. In this scenario your tax obligation will drop $5000 instead of $6000 so the tax proposal as written costs you $1000 more in taxes for the year.

 

Similar calculations can be made for property taxes if your annual tax bill exceeds the proposed $10,000 limit.

 

A couple of points regarding this discussion. First, tax reform is constant in our nation’s history. Every President and Congress from 1789 has passed changes to the tax code, some small and some quite major. Any changes in the tax code made by the current 115th Congress and signed into law by President Trump will be subject to future changes as a result of elections changing members of Congress and residents of the White House.

 

Second, at this stage in the process everything is negotiable. What is in the tax plan today may not be in the tax plan tomorrow. What items in the plan are in there for purposes of negotiation? If some members of Congress want the mortgage interest and property tax deductions levels to increase what are they willing to give up to get their way? Increase the proposed corporate tax rate? Change the elimination of the estate tax to a higher level of tax exemption?

 

Third, in California we look at taxes in a whole different light than most of the country for a couple of reasons. Our property values are significantly higher than most of the country so our mortgages are higher and our property taxes are higher in dollars paid (several states have higher percentage of property taxes) so limiting those deduction will impact Californians more than those who own homes in Oklahoma, Utah or Kentucky. So, while collectively we may be against the reduction in the deduction limits for interest and property taxes in California, through much of the country the limitations have little to no impact and is more than offset by the increase in the standard deduction. We are represented by 53 Representatives (12% of the total) and two Senators (2% of the total), and while it is the largest state contingent in Congress it still represents just 12% of the population and many Representatives and Senators representing the 88% of the population see more advantages to their constituents than detriments.

 

Taxes are the ultimate political tool and tax reform is only political. As the plan works through Congress I am going to assume that the mortgage interest and property taxes proposals will be amended—maybe trade a higher mortgage deduction for eliminating the property tax deduction, or raise both limits and trade for something else, or…..the Republican majority cannot keep the party members together and the plan collapses completely and we see no changes to the tax code.

 

At this point it is all speculation, I hope I have been able to present a fairly clear and understandable example of the potential impact of the proposed changes to the tax plan that could impact California homeowners that you can use to sort out future proposals and potential personal impact.

 

Have a question? Ask me!

 

Remember, with Dennis it’s not just a mortgage, it’s your complete financial picture.

 

The first week of the month means labor data. October saw Americans earning more and spending more—both good news for the economy—but prices are stagnant—which is not great news. Workers saw income increase 0.4% for the month and led by a surge in durable good spending due to hurricanes increased spending by 1% from September. Prices were flat going up only 0.1% for the month and 1.3% from last October, well below the Fed’s inflation rate. The news is mixed for mortgage rates as the stronger earnings and spending would tend to push rates up but the low prices keep rates down.

 

More workers, a lot more, is the news from the Labor Department’s October report. Total payrolls increased by 261,000 workers, 252,000 in the private sector. This is a very large increase, however much of it is the result of those displaced by hurricanes going back to work. For example, restaurants lost 98,000 workers in September and gained 89,000 in October. There was a dark cloud in the report and that is wages not increasing for the month. Overall the report is mortgage rate neutral.

 

Big news for the Federal Reserve yesterday when Trump nominated Jerome Powell to replace Fed chief Janet Yellen when her term expires in February. Powell is considered a moderate and unlikely to change any current policies of the Federal Reserve is confirmed for the post by the Senate.

 

Rates for Friday November 3, 2017: Rates are flat for conforming and dip back down on high balance loans after ticking up last week. All eyes, ears and noses are focused on Congress and the debates, negotiations and horse-trading over the tax bill. Depending on what moves through the process investors may react by fleeing to safety, rates drop, or loading up on equities in private companies, rates increase. Stay tuned, there should be plenty for office water cooler and weekend barbecue discussions.

 

FIXED RATE MORTGAGES AT COST OF 1.25 POINTS LOCKED FOR 45 DAYS:

30 year conforming                                            3.75%           Flat

30 year high-balance conforming                   3.875%        Down 0.125%

Please note that these are base rates and adjustments may be added for condominiums, refinances, credit scores, loan to value, no impound account and period rate is locked. Rates are based on 20% down with 740 FICO score for purchase mortgages.

 

What was more depressing for you, the outcome of the Game 7 or the amount of candy left over in your bowl for Trick-or-Treaters on Tuesday night? My disappointment was less in the outcome of the game on Tuesday than the lack of a great game that kept us on the edge of our seats all night. Congratulations to the Astros. Two things for baseball fans, right now every team is tied for first place, including my Phillies, and its only 102 until pitchers and catchers begin to report for Spring Training!

 

Have a great week,

 

Dennis

 

 

 

Weekly Rate & Market Update 11-10-17: Do you know someone who can help me with…?

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Question of the week:  Do you know someone who can help me with…?

Answer:  This is a question I am asked not infrequently from people looking for some type of professional advice or representation, and the answer is, Yes. Yes, I do know someone who can help you with…

One of the benefits of being in this industry for thirty years is the number of different types of transactions I have been involved in.  As well I am, and have been, active in several organizations that gives me the opportunity to meet and work with professionals in several different disciplines, and within those specific specialties.

Have you created your trust yet to protect your assets and family? I know several attorneys who specialize in this type of work.

Do you have an issue with real estate you own that requires some legal advice? I know specialists in real estate law.

Own your own company and becoming less satisfied with your accounting and tax preparation? I know CPAs who specialize in small, medium or large businesses who can help you get back on track.

You are the executor of an estate and need valuations for settlement and taxes? From real estate appraisers to professional evaluation experts I can provide you with someone to speak to.

Having HR problems at your work, either as employer or employee? I know several people with different focuses on human relations and employment that may be able to assist you.

You were involved in an accident, or someone broke a bone climbing your fence, or you have had some other incident occur in which you need legal representation? Whether as defendant or plaintiff you may find one of the attorneys I know that specialize in civil or criminal law able to help you with your incident.

You have received that very unwelcome communication from the IRS or State Franchise Tax board notifying you of an audit and your accountant is not an audit specialist? I can provide you with recommendations for someone who is and can represent you to the tax agency.

Unfortunately, all relationships do not work out, if this is the case and you need to speak to someone about a divorce or legal separation, and possibly represent you, I know several attorneys in this area as well.

And of course, through the years I have come to know, trust and respect several real estate professionals who can represent you if you are thinking about buying or selling real estate.

You know a guy, me, who knows several guys and gals from a wide range of professions and specialties. If I do not have personal knowledge of someone and their capabilities I definitely know someone who does and can provide a very good recommendation.

From financial to legal advice and assistance if you are in need of a quality professional please do not hesitate to contact me and ask for a referral to someone who may be able to assist you. After all, you know a guy so use him!

Have a question? Ask me!

Remember, with Dennis it’s not just a mortgage, it’s your complete financial picture.

Rates for Friday November 10, 2017: Regular readers of the WR&MU will note a lack of economic news impacting mortgage rates this week, the dearth of data this week will be more than made up for next week as we have important data released on inflation and spending. With the lack of major news this week rates are flat, with the conforming rate having no change for four weeks. Next week’s data however could put upward pressure on rates so if you are in a position to lock I suggest you lock.

FIXED RATE MORTGAGES AT COST OF 1.25 POINTS LOCKED FOR 45 DAYS:

30 year conforming                                            3.75%           Flat

30 year high-balance conforming                    3.875%        Flat

Please note that these are base rates and adjustments may be added for condominiums, refinances, credit scores, loan to value, no impound account and period rate is locked. Rates are based on 20% down with 740 FICO score for purchase mortgages.

 

Gratitude and respect for the Veterans out there who have served, or are serving, our nation. While we recognize our Veterans in N

ovember every year, it is important that those in need get assistance throughout the year. One organization that has done exceptional work helping those Veterans in need is the Paralyzed Veterans of American. PVA has been in existence for over seventy years and has a wide range of services they provide to not only help those currently in need but to fund research and advocate for future needs of our Veterans.

If you are able and willing you can click here to make a donation to the Paralyzed Veterans of America, there is also an option to make your gift in someone’s honor, a nice way to let a Veteran you know and respect that you are thinking of them and their service.

Have a great week,

Dennis